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- Industry: Information Technology & Services
- Company size: 11–50 Employees
- Used Daily for 6-12 months
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- Likelihood to recommend 9.0 /10
It's quite good - from a perspective of tester using a custom-conferencing Vonage based app
Reviewed on 2022/04/05
It helps in the rapid development of a certain type of app, like VoIP, so you don't have to...
It helps in the rapid development of a certain type of app, like VoIP, so you don't have to re-invent the wheel and spend a lot of valuable development time.
Pros
What I like the most are the API docs and the previews of the available implementations - you can use a demo conferencing app to have video and audio calls.
Cons
There are occasional issues that are very hard to debug, especially in terms of audio quality drops - I hope you add more detailed logging for this in the future.
Reasons for Switching to Vonage Business Communications
The docs and the pricing were the major reasons.- Industry: Commercial Real Estate
- Company size: 51–200 Employees
- Used Daily for 6-12 months
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- Likelihood to recommend 8.0 /10
One of the best all-in-one Business phone application
Reviewed on 2023/04/27
Vonage's services are sufficient for our company's communications requirements, be it direct calls,...
Vonage's services are sufficient for our company's communications requirements, be it direct calls, messaging, conference calls, or even call campaigns. The support is very prompt with their responses and resolutions.
Pros
The interface is very easy to navigate and neat. Call management and messaging align with the latest design language for such phone systems. The desktop app and mobile app work seamlessly in terms of notifications and call transfer between the devices,
Cons
The admin portal could be managed better and the categories on the website are a bit confusing to navigate so maybe that could be reordered and renamed to make it easier to reach the desired page. The integrations apps portfolio can also be enhanced by getting more of the popular apps onboard.
- Industry: Security & Investigations
- Company size: 2–10 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 7.0 /10
Vonage for small business
Reviewed on 2023/06/09
Good start-up voip service for one line small businesses.
Good start-up voip service for one line small businesses.
Pros
the product is easy to use and easy to understand
Cons
the overall cost is more than I was expecting.
- Industry: Staffing & Recruiting
- Company size: 201–500 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 7.0 /10
Vonage review
Reviewed on 2022/06/11
It has been average. The only bad side is SMS integration and support to it.
It has been average. The only bad side is SMS integration and support to it.
Pros
It is very easy to use, good interface and easy to be integrated with other tools. The UI/UX is great. Especially when it comes to texting.
Cons
Product support. We wanted support for texting and it has been a horrible experience. They have Neximo for the SMS integration and support and the support experience has been horrible. They don't answer the calls or respond timely.
- Industry: Real Estate
- Company size: 11–50 Employees
- Used Daily for 1-5 months
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- Likelihood to recommend 10.0 /10
Only regret is that we didn't upgrade sooner!
Reviewed on 2021/02/05
I appreciate the high level of customer service and the responsiveness of the team in general. We...
I appreciate the high level of customer service and the responsiveness of the team in general. We decided to move from land lines to VoIP and are very happy that we opted to partner with Vonage for the transition. They have been very patient and helpful along the way.
Pros
The flexibility of this software is my favorite feature. I mostly work from home, and I can easily make changes for any of our users from the online dashboard, the computer app, or the phone app. The end-users at our office have successfully learned how to navigate the handsets and the online dashboards.
Cons
We are still working on our fax numbers. Porting the number from our previous provider has proven difficult.
Reasons for Choosing Vonage Business Communications
AT&T Cost, flexibility, customer serviceReasons for Switching to Vonage Business Communications
Also looked at PanTerra. We chose Vonage because of the initial connection with [SENSITIVE CONTENT HIDDEN]. She was informative, responsive, knowledgeable, and empathetic. Most of the services seemed to be similar with similar prices. We chose Vonage because of [SENSITIVE CONTENT HIDDEN]. I hope you tell her that.- Industry: Nonprofit Organization Management
- Company size: 201–500 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 1.0 /10
Can't export contacts; billing is SHADY
Reviewed on 2022/09/22
can't export contacts / address book. really shady on how to cancel contract. first you have to...
can't export contacts / address book. really shady on how to cancel contract. first you have to give notice that you don't want to renew by calling and emailing support or contacting your customer rep. then you have to give another notice (within 30 days) that you want to cancel. so 2 times cancellation? make that clear in your terms and conditions.
Pros
unified communication all in one app on desktop and mobile. easy to use.
Cons
users complained of bad call quality and drops. vonage meetings can only hold up to 12. lacking in development and R&D. when service rep changes you don't even know unless you call support. basically support does everything.
- Industry: Telecommunications
- Company size: 51–200 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 6.0 /10
Vonage Business (Simple Signal) Service & Support
Reviewed on 2021/11/09
Overall experience was good, their Account Manger went above and beyond, their support was good,...
Overall experience was good, their Account Manger went above and beyond, their support was good, their service was okay.
Pros
Vonage's GUI is relatively intuitive to make basic changes. There are various roles provided that allow different levels of access to make configuration adjustments with the Trunk, DID's, Auto Attendants, forwarding, etc.
Cons
There were some tools inside of the Vonage Portal that required multiple places to be updated or there were multiple ways to update a setting, and it made difficult to report on customer configurations.
Alternatives Considered
TwilioReasons for Choosing Vonage Business Communications
Provided more functionalityReasons for Switching to Vonage Business Communications
Pricing was a major factor to why we chose Simple Signal (Vonage).
- Industry: Law Practice
- Company size: 2–10 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 6.0 /10
Clunky and poor support
Reviewed on 2020/06/19
It worked OK but it wasn't great. I switched away and probably would not return.
It worked OK but it wasn't great. I switched away and probably would not return.
Pros
It's a VOIP call service and usually works with decent connection. It had a feature that automatically sent timed billing for calls to my client billing software, which is why I switched to Vonage in the first place.
Cons
The portal is clunky and confusing. Fax is even worse. Often the sync features did not work as advertised. My employees had a lot of trouble working with the software and customer support was extremely poor from a knowledge standpoint.
- Industry: Computer Networking
- Company size: 2–10 Employees
- Used Daily for 1-5 months
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- Likelihood to recommend 0.0 /10
Vonage Customer Service Complaints
Reviewed on 2020/03/03
I would like a manager to contact me from Vonage.
I recently set up services with Vonage rep....
I would like a manager to contact me from Vonage.
I recently set up services with Vonage rep. [SENSITIVE CONTENT HIDDEN]. Our account number is [SENSITIVE CONTENT HIDDEN]. I am disgusted with the service I am getting from the Vonage rep. I spent a great deal of time comparing Vonage to Nextiva and decided to go with [SENSITIVE CONTENT HIDDEN]. [SENSITIVE CONTENT HIDDEN] assured us he “would not disappear after the sale” as we needed him to help us with a few things getting started. We have called, and text him, numerous times since the completion of our sale. There has been zero follow up from him. However, he had no problem contacting 3,4,5 times a day leading up to the sale. This lack of services runs rampant in our country and I’m sick of it.
I have reached out to Vonage 6+ times since. Every single time, I am on hold for 20+ minutes and get nowhere. I’ve emailed them 3 times and keep getting emails directing me to more numbers that have me on hold again for 10+ minutes...resulting in again...sending me somewhere else.
Vonage is a frustrating company with disgusting customer service. It’s highly recommended you do you homework and choose a competitor. Vonage will not be seamless...waste of time & money.
Sean, President & CEO
Capital Adventures, Inc
Pros
I didn’t like it. I liked hearing all the promises, by the second our payment was taken service is non-existent.
Cons
Customer Services/functionality has been horrible!
Alternatives Considered
NextivaReasons for Switching to Vonage Business Communications
The salesperson [SENSITIVE CONTENT HIDDEN] made a list of promises that sold me. The second he received card information, he has disappeared. Horrible character.- Industry: Real Estate
- Company size: 501–1,000 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 7.0 /10
Great Customer Service!
Reviewed on 2023/12/08
Relatively good compared to other companies we use for similar services. Customer support is good;...
Relatively good compared to other companies we use for similar services. Customer support is good; reps are pro-active and helpful and will go out of their way to find you a solution.
Pros
The best thing we have found with Vonage Business Communications is the Customer Service. The reps really do try and help you out and take a pro-active approach which is highly unusual in the telecom industry.
Cons
Sometimes when you are trying to get information from their billing department, they seem to be unable to provide it. This appears to be more of an operational issue than a personnel issue.
- Industry: Transportation/Trucking/Railroad
- Company size: 11–50 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 10.0 /10
My company left Vonage for a dialer - after over a month wish they would switch back
Reviewed on 2023/06/06
I used Vonage for 2.5 years in Moving, and I felt no "slow season", the ease of it's use through 2...
I used Vonage for 2.5 years in Moving, and I felt no "slow season", the ease of it's use through 2 companies kept my income level steady and high. It was easier to reach more customers with the Vonage integration suite using the click to dial feature and texting that was done through my Moving Software. More contacts =more sales=more money with commission only based jobs.
Pros
The click to dial integration suite that made it so easy to call customers straight from our moving software and send personalized texts. More contact and lead touches = more sales more $$$$
Cons
Now that we have switched to a more costly, not easily integrated, auto-dialer that made my sales at 40% booked jobs from data and inbound calls drop down to 1%, NO COMPLAINTS certain businesses are meant for dialers, with my industry, keeping it simple like Vonage does, and ease of use is the way to go.
- Industry: Real Estate
- Company size: 51–200 Employees
- Used Daily for 6-12 months
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- Likelihood to recommend 8.0 /10
Vonage is one of the top calling software for any type of company engaged in business...
Reviewed on 2023/05/13
Overall, Vonage provides a distinct business calling experience that is unrivaled by any other...
Overall, Vonage provides a distinct business calling experience that is unrivaled by any other software in its pricing range. Vonage's benefits and features vastly surpass some of its current flaws. But I strongly advise any company that deals with corporate communication to give Vonage a try, if only for a little time.
Pros
Vonage's ability to smoothly switch between mobile and PC usage is what I liked best, not to mention how simple and engaging the user experience is.
Cons
It is inconvenient to be unable to read every text messages received and to have to call the Vonage central user for assistance every time. Vonage may look into this.
- Industry: Transportation/Trucking/Railroad
- Company size: 2–10 Employees
- Used Daily for 1-5 months
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- Likelihood to recommend 1.0 /10
Disappointing SMS Services and Poor Customer Service from Vonage
Reviewed on 2023/04/26
I recently decided to try Vonage's SMS services for my business, and saying I am disappointed would...
I recently decided to try Vonage's SMS services for my business, and saying I am disappointed would be an understatement. As a telecom provider, Vonage should have excelled in their essential services but failed to deliver on its promises.When I first signed up for Vonage's SMS services, I was assured that my company number would be registered quickly and seamlessly. However, weeks passed, and my number still hadn't been registered. This has caused a significant hindrance to my business, as we relied on this service for essential communication with our customers.Upon contacting their customer service, I was informed that the volume of users they were trying to register had caused a backlog. While I understand that such technical challenges can arise, it is unacceptable for a company like Vonage to allow these internal issues to affect its customers negatively. They should have been more prepared to handle the volume and avoid backlogs.Furthermore, the customer service provided by Vonage was far from satisfactory. Instead of empathizing with my concerns and offering a solution, they passed the buck by blaming the issue on the backlog. As a customer, I shouldn't have to bear the burden of their internal challenges. The customer service team should have been proactive in addressing my concerns and finding a solution to my problem.In conclusion, my experience with Vonage has been nothing short of frustrating.
Pros
The mobile application is easy to use along with its features.
Cons
Worst customer service and sales team who promise and don't deliver.

- Industry: Computer Software
- Company size: 201–500 Employees
- Used Daily for 1+ year
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- Likelihood to recommend 9.0 /10
Vonage Business Communications
Reviewed on 2023/03/17
The setup was quick and easy, and the customer service was excellent. The features are great, with...
The setup was quick and easy, and the customer service was excellent. The features are great, with the ability to have multiple lines and have voicemails sent directly to my email. The prices are also very reasonable, and I am very happy with the experience.
Pros
Vonage Business Communications provides an inexpensive and dependable option for small and medium-sized businesses and organizations. Their business phone system is designed to make managing your communications easier and worry-free. You can get the same features and capabilities of a conventional office phone system at a much lower cost. The product experience is paramount in determining a business's success, so Vonage is devoted to creating the best user experience, starting with the design.
Cons
I haven't found anything that I don't like yet.

- Industry: Information Technology & Services
- Company size: Self Employed
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 8.0 /10
Vonage For Small Business
Reviewed on 2020/05/08
My overall experience with Vonage Business Communications has been excellent. Setup was painless,...
My overall experience with Vonage Business Communications has been excellent. Setup was painless, support was responsive when I had questions and the service has been extremely reliable.
Pros
Vonage Business was easy to set up and configure on my small company network. The Vonage Business application dashboard is simple, clearly laid out and easy to navigate. Once you completed the initial setup, there is not much need to access it, except to add or remove features. It has all of the basic features that I need running a small business such as call forwarding, voicemail, customizable Caller ID. Vonage also offers toll free 800 numbers if your business needs one. While I do not need to call Canada or Mexico, the service includes calls to Canada and to Mexico at no extra charge.
The service has been exceptionally reliable and all conversations have been clear and noise free.
The Vonage Business service included a VOIP handset with a headset port. The Vonage Business Software includes a SoftPhone application so that all activity can be easily managed from your computer.
Add-on features include such items as on-demand call recording, virtual receptionist, fax service and others.
Cons
There are no issues that I have with the Vonage Business Communications software or with the Vonage Business service.

- Industry: Outsourcing/Offshoring
- Company size: 201–500 Employees
- Used Daily for 1+ year
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- Likelihood to recommend 9.0 /10
Feedback for Vonage
Reviewed on 2022/12/21
My experience with Vonage has been good. No major glitch that i found while working on Vonage.
My experience with Vonage has been good. No major glitch that i found while working on Vonage.
Pros
Vonage is user-friendly and can work on even a slow internet connection. We can do screen recordings and send a broadcast message as well. Your own Team Members' contact details are easily available. So anytime you need to call them or find email id's, It's all there for you. Also, we can record calls as well which will help us in quality audit & control. There is also an option to check reports on how many calls you made, received, and the call duration as well. Overall it's a great product!
Cons
The one thing that I don't like about this product is when it is integrated with any other software like ceipal to make calls. The call logs will not appear on the Vonage call logs. Rest everything is good!

- Industry: Information Services
- Company size: 51–200 Employees
- Used Daily for 1-5 months
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- Likelihood to recommend 5.0 /10
That is such a rel ief bondage was the first for VOIP
Reviewed on 2022/10/19
My overall experience with Vonage was okay but unaffordable. I hope they are able to integrate more...
My overall experience with Vonage was okay but unaffordable. I hope they are able to integrate more with third party apps in the future and I might consider trying them again
Pros
Their call monitoring, call routing and voicemail features were absolutely amazing.
Cons
The biggest con was the price it kept growing and growing to a point where we had to switch over to a new provider. They were also missing a lot of integration with third party applications

- Industry: Computer & Network Security
- Company size: 11–50 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 9.0 /10
Simplify Business with a Simple Business VoIP Phone System
Reviewed on 2021/08/05
Pros
Easy to implement.
Easy to manage.
Works great, no hitches, glitches, misses.
Perfect for a Small or Medium Business.
Great value for the money; translate: very inexpensive.
Make your small business come across as a big business.
Smartphone App works great too.
Cons
There are MANY 3rd Party Apps that claim to be integrated with Vonage. We didn't have the best of luck using them, to be honest, but they weren't too business critical, so it didn't bother us too much; but it still would be nice to make ZohoCRM or Connectwise work integratedly.
- Industry: Financial Services
- Company size: 1,001–5,000 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 7.0 /10
VOIP Phone System Great for Traveling or Working Remotely
Reviewed on 2018/11/02
We have been utilizing their service for over 6 six years and it's a really good value for your...
We have been utilizing their service for over 6 six years and it's a really good value for your money considering everything that you get. If you're looking for ways to reduce costs, switch to VOIP with Vonage Business so you don't have to keep buying expensive desktop phones and headsets.
Pros
I like the ease of not having a physical phone that can be a hassle when traveling. We use this in our customer service call center and it allows multiple users to log into a queue and manage calls accordingly. It handles call recordings as well which is great for quality control.
Cons
Their system goes down every now and then, outages that has costs us a few customers. We then have to revert to your mobile phones to make outbound calls which is very inconvenient.
- Industry: Marketing & Advertising
- Company size: 11–50 Employees
- Used Daily for 1+ year
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- Likelihood to recommend 3.0 /10
Call centers need reliable service
Reviewed on 2021/11/12
We used Vonage for our call center for a year. The features were great and the price was nice. The...
We used Vonage for our call center for a year. The features were great and the price was nice. The service was intermittent at best and not acceptable for daily use.
Pros
The cost and implementation was outstanding
Cons
The reliability was not acceptable for our business.
Alternatives Considered
DialpadReasons for Choosing Vonage Business Communications
Cost, features, and contractsReasons for Switching to Vonage Business Communications
The cost and features were attractive.- Industry: Legal Services
- Company size: 11–50 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 0.0 /10
NON-EXISTENCE PHONE SUPPORT
Reviewed on 2021/02/06
Absolutely the worst service out there. This company is just so horrible to deal with. Will ruin...
Absolutely the worst service out there. This company is just so horrible to deal with. Will ruin your day if you have to interact with Vonage Business Support, again only by CHAT from untrained techs.
I would highly recommend potential customers to do their due diligence before going with Vonage.
If you have a technical issue of any kind, know that you will NEVER, EVER GET A LIVE AGENT ON THE PHONE. It is ALL by chat and they are extremely POORLY trained and just give canned responses.
Pros
add on phone numbers were convenient. Price was Ok.
Cons
my caller ID will not update and I cannot get the issue escalated.
- Industry: Government Administration
- Company size: 5,001–10,000 Employees
- Used for 1-5 months
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- Likelihood to recommend 0.0 /10
Abysmal Customer Service/Support
Reviewed on 2020/12/22
There were numerous issues with porting our number that came with vague issues that didn't tell us...
There were numerous issues with porting our number that came with vague issues that didn't tell us what was wrong, lack of follow-up communication, ineffective troubleshooting, and lack of training by their reps which required numerous chats (they're no longer available for support by phone) and resubmissions to try and resolve. During that time, we were being billed for both Residential and Business and we asked about VB billing and/or a refund since we couldn't use the service. At no time were we ever told by reps that we should ask to "suspend" the service (which we found out almost 4 months later we should have asked for), just that we could ask for a refund once the number ported successfully.
We finally got ported last week and asked for a refund today. We were told we could have a very small portion refunded back because we did not "ask" for a "suspension" by Supervisor [SENSITIVE CONTENT HIDDEN] We asked her to review all of their prior chat transcripts that showed that not one of their reps on the many interactions offered this as an option, so how could we have known? Her reply was to ignore that completely and offer us a miniscule refund. At no point was she willing to entertain that it was a problem on their end (as the chat transcripts showed), that they were sorry, their reps should have communicated the appropriate process, and that as a result we were due a refund". Instead she said they did no "wrong". Abysmal support and lack of regard for us as a customer.
Pros
Marketed features and pricing met our fixed budget and needs for a smaller Service Desk.
Cons
Porting process, customer service, customer support
- Company size: 11–50 Employees
- Used Daily for 1-5 months
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- Likelihood to recommend 6.0 /10
Vonage Business for your business
Reviewed on 2016/11/08
I am overall satisfied with Vonage Business Support- each time I called on the phone I was given a...
I am overall satisfied with Vonage Business Support- each time I called on the phone I was given a real person to speak with and a case number, to ensure the quality of my "case" the next time I called. As a busy work professional, I found this very valuable. I spoke to an amazing tech after speaking with Vonage Business support. He was able to direct me to exactly what I was looking of in a very short amount of time. My business purchased over 10 lines and the Yealink T46G phones from Vonage. I find these to be incredibly professional phones with a large screen. This is extremely beneficial when I am wearing a headset, on the regular phone, or connected with m work cell.
Pros
In regards to Vonage Business Phone systems, I like most being able to speak with a real person to answer my questions. Help was available any time I called. The help was organized and true- this helped me weed out things I didn't have time for. As a busy professional, this was extremely valuable. Each person I spoke to was able to help me validate my "silly" questions and assist me through the Vonage experience. The Yealink also shows busy field lines, my favorite feature on the phone, so I can see who, in my offices, is on the phone. This saves me time.
Cons
I was disappointing that it took so long to find an associate that could answer my questions. I called three times previous with questions about the phone system, and on the third time I spoke with a very knowledgeable professional who could fully assist me with my system questions. My business has purchased Yealink phones and is disappointing that each phone requires a special Yealink donagle for the "Tested headset list compatible with Yealink IP Phone". While the Plantronics Voyager Legend came with a dongle, we had to order separate dongles for each phone.
- Industry: Entertainment
- Company size: 2–10 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 9.0 /10
Long-time user
Reviewed on 2019/08/31
We’ve been having a great experience this software! It’s been helpful for our business and the call...
We’ve been having a great experience this software! It’s been helpful for our business and the call forwarding feature has allowed us the ability for some work/life balance.
Pros
We’ve been using this software for our business for over 5 years. Using this for our business phone has allowed us to keep our same phone number even though we moved physical locations. This was very helpful for our business! We also use the call forwarding feature so we can answer business calls when we’re aware from the business.
Cons
Sometimes the connection isn’t as clear as we’d like. It can sometimes sound a little muffled and occasionally we get disconnected from callers. However, it usually works really well and we’re happy with the service.
- Industry: Construction
- Company size: 2–10 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 9.0 /10
Must have for business
Reviewed on 2020/02/23
I love Vonage's feature set, from being able to text(Although I cant attach or be sent attached...
I love Vonage's feature set, from being able to text(Although I cant attach or be sent attached items), to the history feature is great for checking for previous calls and the reporting capabilities allows for productivity of employees.
Pros
What I like most about Vonage Business is its versatility in the business environment which allows for varied features! It allows any of our employees to work from home yet appear as if they are in the office.
Cons
The software's quality is very dependent on the broadband speed that it is connected to. It requires at a minimum at least 200 gigabit pipe line for it to function well...be advised there are some hiccups that happen but they are few and far between.