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- Industry: Staffing & Recruiting
- Company size: 501–1,000 Employees
- Used Daily for 6-12 months
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- Likelihood to recommend 9.0 /10
Best in the Market for every feature you need
Reviewed on 2022/08/05
It has been a great experience overall using ICIMs as it covers the Recruitment Lifecycle at one...
It has been a great experience overall using ICIMs as it covers the Recruitment Lifecycle at one place.
Pros
ICIMS is a very simple tool to use and we can access all the features with relevant ease with a few simple steps.
Cons
Using ICIMS when multiple tabs are opened at the same time the ICIMS responds very slow.
- Industry: Hospitality
- Company size: 10,000+ Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 10.0 /10
Basic Review
Reviewed on 2019/09/17
several integrations - more efficiencies in managing candidates and jobs. the system has grown...
several integrations - more efficiencies in managing candidates and jobs. the system has grown with us since 2010 and we continue to add
Pros
Alot - it is very intuitive and System Config being able to do much of what we need to do on our own and / or use that to figure out what we might need assistance with. the test site and being able to easily move new configs to production. the ability to integrate with other products so easily. User Group configuration, permissions are easy to set.
Cons
a very micro response but not having the ability to report on before and after field values. this was discussed in 13 or 14 and still not available. some of the reporting is limited and not being able to compare some statuses to current date would be nice
Response from iCIMS
Thank you for taking the time to leave a review. We enjoy reading positive feedback and welcome constructive criticism to ensure we are meeting our customer's expectations. I'll be sure to share your feedback with the teams within iCIMS that will benefit from reading your thoughts.
- Industry: Mechanical or Industrial Engineering
- Company size: 201–500 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 2.0 /10
Comprehensive system but lots of clicks to get there
Reviewed on 2017/09/05
There are a lot of ATS systems out there. Look for a good one that can grow with your company. ...
There are a lot of ATS systems out there. Look for a good one that can grow with your company. ICIMS charges for everv new technology they put out there, social media, website upgrades. They bank on you being captive since it is difficult to migrate to a new system.
Pros
ICIMS is a very robust system and has alot of capabilities, add-ons and overall functionality. It is highly configurable and allows you to add custom fields. There is a reporting feature that allows you to select specific report data and save the report for future. Additionally, libraries will store your requisitions, and other position information for easy reference through foldering capabilities. Tracks email communication through your outlook system, to capture both sides of the email conversation. Additionally, they have a lot of pre-recorded training and webinars to get to learn the system.
Cons
They didn't have a direct feed through Indeed and our positions were picked up randomly and after several days. Additionally, requisitions are difficult to post, show up with multiple fonts (even after various attempts at editing, which is a poor representation of your company.) ICIMS is very difficult for EEO/AAP reporting. Our standard reports didn't work well for this at all. Customer service is very hit or miss, some are really great, and others don't know the system at all. Account representatives are the same way, we just left them, due to their lack of interest to help us update the system set up after 10 years of use. There are alot of custom programming required to implement changes, and they didn't implement updates with the new DOL requirements. We had to ask for the new EEO forms for VEVVRA and Disability reporting requirements.
- Industry: Hospitality
- Company size: 501–1,000 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 10.0 /10
ATS that has great value
Reviewed on 2019/11/01
We first chose this software because it was more competitive and more user friendly than our...
We first chose this software because it was more competitive and more user friendly than our previous ATS. As the years have past, the customizable features to make it work for any industry and the reporting capability is why we have continued to renew. The Help Desk team is extremely responsive and don't make you feel stupid for asking a question.
Pros
We like the ease of use for job seekers, administrators and Hiring Managers. The customer service in the Help desk is excellent as well.
Cons
The reporting is so robust, it can be daunting to figure it out. Once you get the hang of it, you realize the possibilities are endless.
Alternatives Considered
SilkStart MultiChapterReasons for Choosing iCIMS Talent Cloud
Most value for the cost.Switched From
JobviteReasons for Switching to iCIMS Talent Cloud
Best value for the cost. The other options were more expensive and didn't allow the flexibility at the time.- Industry: Medical Practice
- Company size: 5,001–10,000 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 10.0 /10
ICIMS makes recruiting exciting!
Reviewed on 2019/10/16
Pros
ICIMS is always one step ahead of current recruiting trends! Always enhancing existing products to further engage new candidates. Continuing to roll out new products to simplify the experience for recruiters and hiring managers.
Cons
Lots of clicks to get from job search to career portal.
Alternatives Considered
Oracle Taleo CloudReasons for Choosing iCIMS Talent Cloud
Loooking for something with a spectacular candidate experience.Switched From
Oracle PeopleSoftReasons for Switching to iCIMS Talent Cloud
Better option for TA and hiring manager workflow.- Industry: Paper & Forest Products
- Company size: 501–1,000 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 6.0 /10
Great solution for a large company
Reviewed on 2019/08/27
We have been able to work with the software ok. There is a bit of a clunky feel to it sometimes...
We have been able to work with the software ok. There is a bit of a clunky feel to it sometimes especially when reporting, going through the various candidate phases /bins, etc.
Pros
I like that it has visuals and dashboards for various roles. The best feature is being able to login as a user to see what they see. That is fantastic!
Cons
It is a bit too much and too configurable for our size company (approx 720 ees).
I don't like how the reports are really a search.
I don't like how iCIMS support doesn't work with us regarding best practices. I think that should be a main focus so that iCIMS is always researching what the best practices are so they can pass along the info to their customers.
Alternatives Considered
UKG ProReasons for Switching to iCIMS Talent Cloud
UltiPro at the time was a bit clunky and not user-friendly.Response from iCIMS
Thank you for taking the time to leave a review. We enjoy reading positive feedback and welcome constructive criticism to ensure we are meeting our customer's expectations. I'll be sure to share your feedback with the teams within iCIMS that will benefit from reading your thoughts.
- Industry: Oil & Energy
- Company size: 1,001–5,000 Employees
- Used Daily for 1+ year
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- Likelihood to recommend 6.0 /10
My Opinion
Reviewed on 2019/08/12
Positive
Positive
Pros
Functionality of Iforms
Notification on status updates
Reporting
Cons
Inability of workflows to work with each other
Limitations regarding employee referrals
User Admin restrictions
Response from iCIMS
Thank you for the awesome review! We work hard to meet expectations like yours, and we are happy to hear we hit the mark for you and your organization.
- Industry: Health, Wellness & Fitness
- Company size: 501–1,000 Employees
- Used Daily for 1+ year
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- Likelihood to recommend 10.0 /10
Awesome Product!!!
Reviewed on 2019/07/10
I have had an awesome experience with iCIMS Recruit. It's a better platform than our last ATS...
I have had an awesome experience with iCIMS Recruit. It's a better platform than our last ATS system.
Pros
I love how I have everything in one system. I can post jobs, complete I-9's, and reach out to candidates all in one place.
Cons
I liked everything. Awesome product and system
Response from iCIMS
Thank you for the awesome review! We work hard to meet expectations like yours, and we are happy to hear we hit the mark for you and your organization.
- Industry: Staffing & Recruiting
- Company size: 201–500 Employees
- Used Daily for 1+ year
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- Likelihood to recommend 8.0 /10
Feedback for ICIMS
Reviewed on 2022/11/02
I am able to track the candidates properly and manage them. Frequently changing their status as...
I am able to track the candidates properly and manage them. Frequently changing their status as per the requirements.
Pros
One thing that I really like about icims is that it is user-friendly. We are able to track applicants easily. Also, it is very easy to change their status moving from one place to another. Also, It helps in end to end recruitment cycle starting from initial screening to first day of the candidate.
Cons
One thing that I don't like about this software is resume search and not compatible with Boolean strings. It is not user-friendly if you have to search for any candidate. You have to give the exact spelling then only you can find a person.
- Industry: Information Technology & Services
- Company size: 5,001–10,000 Employees
- Used Weekly for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 10.0 /10
iCIMS Talent Cloud Review
Reviewed on 2023/01/21
One of the best tools for streamlining the job application process is iCIMS Talent Cloud. I...
One of the best tools for streamlining the job application process is iCIMS Talent Cloud. I wholeheartedly endorse it.
Pros
It enables a satisfying hiring process from start to finish for the candidates.
Cons
I wish the ICIMS design was more eye-catching. It has a rather simple appearance when compared to the other recruitment tools I currently use.
- Industry: Human Resources
- Company size: 501–1,000 Employees
- Used Daily for 1+ year
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- Likelihood to recommend 9.0 /10
A Simple ATS To Use
Reviewed on 2022/12/20
By far, it's a good ATS. Is it the best in the market? No, but it does the job.
By far, it's a good ATS. Is it the best in the market? No, but it does the job.
Pros
From the title of this review, it's a simple tool that a recruiter could use. It's easy to understand as well. Although, there could be some improvements to it.
Cons
When it comes to generating reports, there are plenty of things that we can improve on. I hope the developers could look into it.
- Industry: Airlines/Aviation
- Company size: 51–200 Employees
- Used Daily for 6-12 months
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- Likelihood to recommend 8.0 /10
Review on iCIMS Recruit module
Reviewed on 2019/04/10
Our overall experience with iCIMS is amazing. With the help of iCIMS, we gain a bigger pool of...
Our overall experience with iCIMS is amazing. With the help of iCIMS, we gain a bigger pool of candidates from different sources, we manage well of the applications within the system and we build up a stronger talent pool for our company.
Pros
- expand our reach to wider groups of candidate: iCIMS has partnered with Google job and other free job aggregators, that job posting function helps us to reach more candidates, we do see a significant growth of quality candidate profiles for our job openings. It is very cost effective and it saves so much time on populating our jobs on different portals.
- navigate with ease within the platform: it is very easy to pull out different applications and review the resume and cover letter. I like the tabs which are very clear and categorise information in good order
- Very good customer support team: Whenever I call the iCIMS customer support team, there is always someone on the phone and solves the problem for us. The customer ambassadors are professional, friendly and knowledgeable.
Cons
Overall, I would say there is no big issue in my user experience when iCIMS. Just two minor things,
- When I move the candidate to the next bins in the recruitment workflow, I couldn't find an update button. If I reload the page, it will show up the main dashboard and I have to go back to the particular job profile again.
- The cover letter button does show as the same tab of resume, I have to go back to the candidate details tab and find out the cover letter. It will be great if I can see the resume and cover letter on the same tab.
Besides, we think that the hiring manager app may need more modification as right now the app doesn't equip with all the functions from a web version.
Response from iCIMS
Thank you for taking the time to leave a review. We enjoy reading positive feedback and welcome constructive criticism to ensure we are meeting our customer's expectations. I'll be sure to share your feedback with the teams within iCIMS that will benefit from reading your thoughts.
- Industry: Staffing & Recruiting
- Company size: 201–500 Employees
- Used Daily for 6-12 months
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- Likelihood to recommend 7.0 /10
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Reviewed on 2023/01/13
I am overall satisfied with the interface and the functionality.
I am overall satisfied with the interface and the functionality.
Pros
Ease of use works on low internet bandwidth.
Cons
Sometimes the interface is choppy and laggy.
- Industry: Packaging & Containers
- Company size: 5,001–10,000 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 10.0 /10
I love iCIMS Recruit!
Reviewed on 2019/07/08
We use iCIMS for all our recruiting needs and created a customized way to route consultants through...
We use iCIMS for all our recruiting needs and created a customized way to route consultants through the platform that does not disrupt the recruiters and provides accessibility to managers who hire their own consultants -- thanks to the support staff!
Pros
I love the customization capabilities that enable us to move candidates through the recruiting process, communicate with candidates and hiring managers, integrate our background check process, report metrics, and create guides, include attachments and links to our hiring assessments ... and the support is second to none!
Cons
I like the bi-directional email address string least. Candidates often comment on how it looks like Spam. I would love to see the email address appear without the additional clutter.
Response from iCIMS
Thank you for the awesome review! We work hard to meet expectations like yours, and we are happy to hear we hit the mark for you and your organization.
- Industry: Computer Software
- Company size: 51–200 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 4.0 /10
Pricey Enterprise Product Lacking in Updated User Experience
Reviewed on 2018/12/12
Pros
iCIMS is extremely customizable, down to view permissions at the field-level. I also appreciated that it offered the ability to view the system as a specific user to test said customizations. In a time where our business was growing and we did not have an established HRIS, it afforded us the ability to store data both recruiting and HR-related.
Cons
Since the product is enterprise, you are going to pay out the nose for it. After conducting several detailed demos for competitors, I found that in all cases newer products offered a fresher user experience as a fraction of the cost. That is what ultimately led me to transition to JazzHR. I was disappointed to see that in over 2 years of serving as the administrator, that there were zero improvements to the look and feel of the product on either the recruiter or candidate side. The lack of innovation partnered with pricing made it easy to part ways.
- Industry: Health, Wellness & Fitness
- Company size: 1,001–5,000 Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 10.0 /10
Great ATS at a Great Value
Reviewed on 2019/03/12
I came from a Taleo environment, so I thought that iCIMS would have fewer features, but I have been...
I came from a Taleo environment, so I thought that iCIMS would have fewer features, but I have been extremely pleased with the feature set that iCIMS provides and the customer service is some of the best in the business. Their representatives are knowledgeable and have always answered my question and explained items in a clear and concise manner. I would highly recommend iCIMS to anyone who is looking for an ATS.
Pros
I like the great customer service to help me with all of my configuration needs. I like that it has all of the capabilities and integrations that are easy to setup and get working. I like the annual review of the system and the helpful advice iCIMS provides to improve the system.
Cons
I don't like that their is no auto progression. Auto progression is extremely helpful around key statuses.
Response from iCIMS
Thank you for the awesome review, Jared! We work hard to meet expectations like yours, and we¿re happy to hear we hit the mark for you and your organization.
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GOOD tool, great support, one big miss on features
Reviewed on 2011/11/01
Overall a GOOD tool. Great email response time and support and most customization is easy....
Overall a GOOD tool. Great email response time and support and most customization is easy. implementation was a breeze, and setup was smooth. price is good when compared to other tools in the market.
Pros
We're very pleased with the basic product and with the email support. Up time is like 99%; response time is usually solid. Features are good to great in most areas, and are regularly being advanced adn improved. seem to listen to most customer feedback and build on areas of suggestion -- like the major upgrade to knock out quetsions in the most recent built.
we use the system for unit and non, interns to executives, local to national field offices, and with one gaping hole, the product works very well.
Cons
the product has no email integration. so, candidate applies. i have a q for candidate. i send him an email out of icims. candidate answers that question? it comes to my email; it does not also come back to icims. as a result, i avhe an intern who spends 10 hours per week copying notes back into candidate profiles. notes aren't there in real time , things get missed or misplaced, etc. it's a very real weakness that has caused us to seriously consider changing platforms 3 times so far.
Other miss? the cost for certain integrations such as background checks, and certian iForms use, is ridiculously EXCESSIVE. If you plan to have them hosting a lot of forms and data collection, be sure you truly understand the costs upfront.
the itneraction with sites like monster is nice in theory, but it cannot take into account your job posting profiles, so you end up with a plain, flat job ad if you use the tools, and again they are fairly expensive.
- Industry: Construction
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 9.0 /10
The support team is responsive and helpful.
Reviewed on 2018/07/18
Enabled our hiring and onboarding process creating an easy visible way for candidates to reach us...
Enabled our hiring and onboarding process creating an easy visible way for candidates to reach us as well as automating the onboarding process.
Pros
I like the support and having a dedicated TAM. Additionally there is a lot an admin can configure. There are a lot of reference and training materials available online. Overall this software is easy to use and configure.
Cons
The forms are a bit clunky and are not easy to use. The forms are not visually appealing and it takes a while for updates. Additionally reports can be a bit touchy. Sometimes report data doesn't refresh as expected. The report data doesn't always dynamically update. If you make changes in the tool you have to remember to update the reports. You don't necessarily receive an error that the reports stopped working.
- Industry: Hospital & Health Care
- Company size: Self Employed
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 9.0 /10
iCIMS Recruit Great ATS for Healthcare Corporations
Reviewed on 2019/02/12
Great software that I would highly recommend to anyone exploring adding this type of system within...
Great software that I would highly recommend to anyone exploring adding this type of system within their organization.
Pros
Ease of use and allows you to get to where you need within the system with minimal clicks which means a lot when you have multiple positions to fill and candidates to contact. I like being able to drill down to what I need within the system via a search as well.
Cons
The reporting piece is still not where we need it to be. With how our corporation works we need to build out specialized reports. At this time we are still unable to do so (4 years in)
Response from iCIMS
Thank you for the awesome review ! We work hard to meet expectations like yours, and we are happy to hear we hit the mark for you and your organization.
- Industry: Financial Services
- Company size: 1,001–5,000 Employees
- Used Daily for 6-12 months
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- Likelihood to recommend 7.0 /10
iCIMS Review
Reviewed on 2019/07/22
iCIMS is one of the better talent platforms I have had the experience working with. Overall, it is...
iCIMS is one of the better talent platforms I have had the experience working with. Overall, it is not a bad product to use. It can be bulky and overwhelming when not provided with in depth training, but if you understand that process that has been built in the system it can be a valuable system.
Pros
iCIMS does a good job of organizing candidates for both recruiters and hiring managers, it provides companies with the ability to easily customize their individual hiring process. The on-boarding functionality can also be customized which provides candidates with a great first impression of a companies internal culture. Posting jobs, creating reqs, and running reports are all very user friendly in this system.
Cons
One of the biggest cons we frequently have with iCIMS is when the entire system shuts down for hours at a time. This is the software they were solely use for our recruitment process and when the system is down we do not have access to candidate contact information, etc. which causes delays in the process.
iCIMS also does not fully integrate with the other systems we are using which makes some of our processes more inefficient than what we would like to see.
Response from iCIMS
Thank you for taking the time to leave a review. We enjoy reading positive feedback and welcome constructive criticism to ensure we are meeting our customer's expectations. I'll be sure to share your feedback with the teams within iCIMS that will benefit from reading your thoughts.
- Industry: Defense & Space
- Company size: 10,000+ Employees
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 10.0 /10
iCIMS
Reviewed on 2019/09/19
We have improved time to fill, system analytics, and can produce actionable data to improve our...
We have improved time to fill, system analytics, and can produce actionable data to improve our recruitment process.
Pros
It’s extremely configurable and they put out quarterly releases in direct response to customer feedback.
Cons
The Offer product is an additional cost that is quite hefty. Without it, the offer letters through iforms can be a difficult process.
Reasons for Choosing iCIMS Talent Cloud
Ease of use, customer support, UI, costReasons for Switching to iCIMS Talent Cloud
Ease of use, customer support, UI, costResponse from iCIMS
Thank you so much for your positive feedback and for taking the time to post this review. It's our customers who allow us to constantly improve the way we do business and I'm so glad to hear that your experience with iCIMS has supported your initiatives.
- Industry: Human Resources
- Company size: 51–200 Employees
- Used Daily for 1+ year
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- Likelihood to recommend 7.0 /10
ICIMS is great
Reviewed on 2019/09/16
Pros
I used ICIMS on a daily basis and find it very helpful to keep everything documented. This tools helps me document the resumes, what day and times interviews took place, notes and more! My team uses ICIMS to keep track of numbers and how to reach our goals, put together reports and more. It is an easy and user friendly application that has really helped in my recruitment.
Cons
Honestly no cons, I can add gidgets to my home screen for additional numbers that I want to see and it is the hub for all of my reporting needs.
Response from iCIMS
Thank you for taking the time to leave a review. We enjoy reading positive feedback and welcome constructive criticism to ensure we are meeting our customer's expectations. I'll be sure to share your feedback with the teams within iCIMS that will benefit from reading your thoughts.
- Industry: Retail
- Company size: Self Employed
- Used Daily for 2+ years
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- Likelihood to recommend 8.0 /10
Great job search application
Reviewed on 2022/10/29
Pros
On my daily job search I come across this app for so many different companies, as quite a few utilize this for job application process. It's easy to use and understand, and I can very easily see why it's so often used.
Cons
So many companies use this so it's easy to say I have a billion different logins for a billion companies. It probably goes against security but an applicant should have a way to use one login and mange their way through different companies.
- Industry: Consumer Goods
- Company size: 201–500 Employees
- Used Daily for 1+ year
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- Likelihood to recommend 1.0 /10
Would Never Use Again
Reviewed on 2019/02/06
Pros
iCIMS is a very robust platform with a lot of functionalities including creating all kinds of reporting
Cons
iCIMS is the clunkiest, most outdated looking ATS I've used. I've worked with 4 different systems at this point in my careed and iCIMS was by far the worst. It's not easy to use, not intuitive, WAY too many steps to do simple things, and trying to create a report was a nightmare. I would not recommend.
Response from iCIMS
Thank you for writing a review, I sincerely appreciate you bringing this issue to my attention. I'm sorry to hear you had such a frustrating experience. I¿ll share your feedback with the teams within iCIMS that will benefit from reading your thoughts. Your business means a lot to us, so if you ever have additional feedback, please dont hesitate to reach out to your Customer Success Manager.
- Industry: Management Consulting
- Company size: 1,001–5,000 Employees
- Used Daily for 1+ year
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- Likelihood to recommend 1.0 /10
Not very intuitive at all.
Reviewed on 2018/02/20
I have been recruiting for over 20 years and have been using Applicant Tracking Systems for...
I have been recruiting for over 20 years and have been using Applicant Tracking Systems for approximately 15 years exclusively on the corporate side with some of the largest tech firms in the world.
Pros
I don't really like much about this product. The candidate production is on par with other systems. It is quicker than other systems I have used....and that's about it.
Cons
It is not a user friendly product and I wonder how much they involved highly experienced. corporate recruiters in the functional design of the platform. There is a lot of wasted space and extra clicking that needs to be done. The system is not intuitive at all for a user. I have used Taleo quite a bit and found it to be much more compact in viewing candidates and their status. The search capabilities with ICMS are very hard to understand with their forms, filters, output templates, etc. I have to constantly go back to the instructions to figure out how to find jobs, particular hiring managers, etc. In addition I have had candidates on several occasions call me since they were having trouble uploading documents into the system. There are better systems or comparable systems available for less money. Each recruiter should't have to become a "super-user" in order to work in an ATS but that seems to be the case for ICMS.